Beating Holiday Hangover: A Mom’s Survival Guide to Burnout Transcripts

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JoAnn Crohn: Welcome to the No Guilt Mom podcast and welcome to 2024. I am your host JoAnn Crohn with the wonderful Brie Tucker.

Brie Tucker: Why, hello, hello. How are you?

JoAnn Crohn: It’s 2024 Brie. How do we get here?

Brie Tucker: That’s what I was going to say. Like, how is it a new year already? Like, that

JoAnn Crohn: Happy New Year!

Brie Tucker: Happy New Year. Can I, can I say that, January is not my favorite time of the year.

JoAnn Crohn: Really? Why not?

Brie Tucker: well, as this episode is titled, I tend to go through a bit of a holiday hangover right after the holidays. I miss all the get-togethers, the lights, the joy of the holiday season, getting to hang out with family and not arguing about stupid little petty stuff. You know what happens in January? My credit card bill comes in. You know what happens in January? It gets dreary outside and it’s cold, but I just feel like for me personally and my little slice of life. Like, January is more about cleaning up after everything that just happened for the last couple of months. All the crap that you just mentally and physically pushed aside just to get through the holiday season. It’s all there now staring at me.

JoAnn Crohn: we need to change your perspective on January, which I hope that we’ll do in this episode. So, let’s get on with the show.

JoAnn Crohn: So let’s talk more about this burnout, Brie, because I am so interested. I do not have the same thing. I don’t have a holiday hangover. So like you mentioned, credit cards do everything. Like what are you thinking during this time?

Brie Tucker: yeah, I think just that it’s, it’s all right there. Time is trumping on and we got more going on. Like it’s just, it’s everything. It’s everything from the things that I probably needed to address. I don’t know, just anything, like let’s say I needed to apply for a program for my, for my kids to do in the spring semester and I got notices of it in December.

Yeah, I pushed that sucker aside because I had 16 other things I was dealing with in December. So now I have to go back through, find the stuff that I had pushed aside that I still have to address, get done, get started looking into the new year, all the things you got to start planning. I think everybody’s different.

I’ve just, for whatever reason, I’ve always had a doom and gloom perspective of January. I don’t, I don’t know if it’s from growing up in the Midwest and it’s gray and it’s icy and it’s just, you’re tired of it by then. and you just, it’s nothing but sleek moving forward. But I just, I feel like there’s just a lot, like I have to, I, I joke right now.

We’re recording in early December, I’ve joked that my house looks like Christmas just threw up in it. Like there’s boxes everywhere of things half put out, half put away and like, and, and I’ve got to move them all back so that my house looks pretty and neat again and I can breathe. Then I’ve got to deal with taking them all out. You know, one year I left my tree up until March just cause I didn’t want to deal with taking it down.

JoAnn Crohn: a thing. That’s a thing. And what you’re describing are actually signs of being burnt out. You’re, you’re describing like this never ending load of things that you have to do and it sounds like nothing you do is ever going to fix this massive load of things that you have to do

Brie Tucker: you get in that

JoAnn Crohn: you’re just mad.

Brie Tucker: try?

JoAnn Crohn: Why even try exactly? And you just like have no interest in January really because you feel like it’s a doom and gloom kind of thing.

Brie Tucker: it’s all January’s fault, if you ask me. Like, January, January just shouldn’t have even come by. Now, I do love one of my very favorite people, Jen. Jen Redd. She was, her birthdays in January, and so is her son Landry, but those are my only two. Like, other than that, I’m like, January sucks.

JoAnn Crohn: My dad’s birthday is in January.

Brie Tucker: Oh, I didn’t know your

JoAnn Crohn: I’ve never

Brie Tucker: So, all right.

JoAnn Crohn: I’ve never had that feeling about January. I see like January is like being this new and hopeful time where all of these like, I sound very Pollyanna right now, and I’m not a Pollyanna. but all these new things can happen in this year and it’s all like possibility and perspective and Just fun stuff. It’s just another chance to experience new things in the coming year, is really how I view January.

Brie Tucker: can get there, but it typically takes me to like the end of February.

JoAnn Crohn: That’s a long time! That’s a long time.

Brie Tucker: spend a lot of time in this, like, you call it what you want, holiday hangover, burnout, hell, like I’m stuck there a lot in the very beginning of the year. And I know I’m not alone, because I do talk to a lot of people that have a similar setup of like, it’s just. Yeah, part of it is like all the the fun of the holidays, but then it’s also all the crappy It’s like waking up after a party, right? Like Crap now I gotta put everything away. I gotta clean up. It’s just it’s a lot

JoAnn Crohn: also I feel like part of the holiday hangover is you no longer have something to look forward to because a lot of people look forward to the holidays and look forward to the family get togethers and all of a sudden it happened and you’re like, Oh, well, it’s another year until we get to do that. Now I just have to slug my way through. I mean, do you feel like that?

Brie Tucker: kind of yeah, like I was saying like I don’t really feel like I have That positive outlook again until about you know, the end of February, beginning of March, then I’m like, okay, I can crawl back out and I can start looking for, Oh, spring breaks around the corner. We can do something fun with that.

And Oh, here comes the summer. And like, there’s just, I can get behind it. It’s, it’s everything. It’s the financial stuff. It’s the family stuff. It’s the household stuff, but it all. Burns me out and it’s funny because like I don’t really I’ve never really given it a title before but as soon as I saw this episode that you wanted to record I’m like oh wait a minute that sounds like a holiday hangover I think I have

JoAnn Crohn: It is it. It’s so funny because I feel like the holiday hangover is actually best prevented rather than fixed, you know, like it’s putting things in your holiday plan to plan for your holiday hangover so that it doesn’t happen quite as horribly like. Last year, I, I was like, I don’t want to get into January feeling all glum and blah.

I want something to look forward to right away. And my husband was going on his first trip to India, for his work. And I was like, Oh, well that’s gonna suck. I’m like, how can I not make this suck? Okay. I mean, we need to plan something that I’m looking forward to. And that’s when I went to Disneyland with my mom and it was a great, great experience.

And I feel like it put. me in the holiday, not the holiday mood, but it put me like there was a positive bent on my year because I had that to look forward to right there at the beginning of the year. So like in terms of holiday hangovers, I think next year in particular, we should like put this on our calendar and no guilt mom.

We should make the holiday hangover prevention plan. And we kind of do with our mind body unicorn challenge. That’s what we’re getting people in. To do right now did like switch that mindset over. It’s really about making sure. There’s something that you’re excited about in the month after Christmas, and it goes a lot into a self care strategy, which we’re going to talk about that and more right after this break. So if you’re experiencing the holiday hangover right now, like Bri, just not looking forward to anything

Brie Tucker: You’re not alone

JoAnn Crohn: yeah, not thinking that you’re going to get out of it till the end of February, which, you know, two months is a really horrible time to spend miserable. The first

Brie Tucker: when you say it that way,

JoAnn Crohn: it is, it is, but it’s like, you don’t know you’re going through it until you bring it out. Like you don’t know it’s a problem until you talk about it and until you recognize it. but I think Brie, we need to plan something that you’re going to look forward to. In January, something that like will light you up and make you excited. So like, can you think of anything?

Brie Tucker: Uh, well, okay. So last year, the way that my husband and I, like, well, I don’t, I wasn’t necessarily trying to, take off this holiday hangover type burnout thing I have going on. but we did make ourselves at the end of the year, we reflected on like, you What did we like about the year?

What would we like to have done differently? And we’re like, okay, you know what? We want to do more experiences. It’s kind of, kind of ridiculous that we have every other week our house is empty and no kids that we have to like work around and we don’t go more places. So we planned two events every month that we would do.

Sometimes it was something like we were just going to go to an art show or as the weather got warmer, we were going to go do our kayaking or paddle boarding. I love the ocean. I found it ridiculous that I go to the ocean maybe once every couple of years, even though it’s a five hour drive.

so we, we planned a couple of trips to San Diego and all that. And we had to do it all right then and there, because. Like many of us, life gets busy and it passes us by. So maybe that’s what I need to do. I need to plan something like you just, what, that is exactly what you said. I need to plan something to look forward to. It needs to be an experience for me. I need to have something to look forward to.

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. Actually how I started the beginning of 2024, I’m like, you know what, I’m not going to let 2024 happen to me. I’m going to put these things on my calendar so that it’s a really good year. And that’s when we, we ended up going to Disneyland. We ended up going to Europe. I went to Orlando for a conference. We went to Mexico. All of these things were put on, but San Francisco went to San Francisco.

Brie Tucker: 2023 was a good year. It was a good year.

JoAnn Crohn: is a really important thing to me. And it’s something that I know I need to put on my schedule so that I feel good and that I am experiencing new things and I’m exposing my kids to new things as well. That’s my self care strategy. It’s not massages. It’s not bubble baths, although massages are great. I highly recommend them, but that’s not it alone. Do you know what I mean?

Brie Tucker: Oh yeah. It’s a lot. It’s it is finding that thing. So like, as you’re talking, my brain is going through like, okay, what are the things I want to do? Maybe we should make a list of places we want to go. Make a list of like, We’re big into concerts, too. Artists that we want to see.

JoAnn Crohn: yeah, music festivals,

Brie Tucker: yeah, what are three things you would want to do this year? I want to hear yours.

JoAnn Crohn: mine. Oh, I’m going traveling some more. We’re planning New Zealand right now, going to New Zealand in June. There’s a mastermind in Mexico that I’m looking forward to, and

Brie Tucker: also in June,

JoAnn Crohn: Also in G, how Josh describes it to my son yesterday. He’s like, my son was like, when are you going to Mexico? And my husband’s like a week before we go to New Zealand. Cause mom’s crazy. I’m like, I like it though. I really like it. I love traveling. I like, I like experiencing all the things and going to all the places. So that’s good. More, more music. We’re probably going to go to the innings festival in Tempe.

Brie Tucker: Which day are

JoAnn Crohn: tickets. Who knows? Who knows if they’re even available still. We kind of need to figure that out. Don’t we?

Brie Tucker: They still are. They added a second festival. So yeah, there are two festivals

JoAnn Crohn: That would be, that would be it. So like going out and having fun there. And then, I mean that covers it, the travel and I’m probably put some more cities on it. My kids want to go to New York, because last time we went to New York, my daughter was like, we went for a dance thing and she was in dance lessons all day. And she’s like, I feel like I did not get to see New York.

Brie Tucker: And if I recall correctly, it was during the summer and there was a blackout.

JoAnn Crohn: Oh, yeah, there was a blackout there. That was a blackout, but it was that was a blackout was only like a little bit of our New York trip.

Brie Tucker: but I’m all like that, that, that does make it so that the New York trip wasn’t exactly everything you guys had hoped it could be

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah, but it gave us a great story. I mean, who else climbed 32 floors up to their hotel room to get back in after a blackout took out like half a time square, it went right down the middle, thankfully. So it was still light in Times Square, but like half of it was dark and half of it was light. And our hotel, we were at the Marriott Marquis, which is right in Times Square. And it was like, yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot of stairs, a lot of stairs. We all slept really well at night.

Brie Tucker: You’re all exhausted. So traveling, traveling, and doing music. Like, yeah, I want to, yeah, I definitely, like, I know I need to go, I want to plan a family vacation because it’s the last summer before my, my son goes to, uh, goes to college. Whoa, reach jumping ahead here last summer before he’s a senior. so I want to definitely get that done. And,

JoAnn Crohn: But not get it done. Do you look forward to it? Or do you want to get it done?

Brie Tucker: Well, okay, so I know I said get that done, but that is like a done, we’ve talked about this before in passing, like how I really like being able to check things off because I feel like I made a plan.

I stuck with it and I managed to accomplish it because With somebody that’s as flighty as I am. That’s a big achievement right Right that I actually had a plan and I followed through with it I didn’t like put it in the pile of everything I’ll have to send you a picture later of the pile of stuff and sitting next to my desk Because it’s stuff that I keep saying i’ll deal with it

JoAnn Crohn: Okay. Here’s what I want you to do. I want, every time you need to use the bathroom, I want you to write, Use bathroom on your notepad and then you’ll go and you’ll come back. You’ll be like jack. I did it. Yeah, Dora It’s

Brie Tucker: what is that? Oh shoot. That was like a kid’s show thing. I can’t remember which one now like we did it We did it. Yay. Oh, was

JoAnn Crohn: the it’s the sadistic one that I sent you remember with the we hid the body

Brie Tucker: So yeah, so like I definitely like it’s so done. I’m still looking forward to it. I just want to, I want to get done like last year in 2023. My big thing was a cruise. I got to take my. whole immediate family on a cruise. My kids had never been before. We were really excited about that and like all got to look forward to it. So yeah, I need to plan more of, experiences for sure because that’s, where we’re at at this

JoAnn Crohn: The experiences are fun like stuff just weighs you down I feel like I don’t like I know, you know, my whole opinion on stuff And

Brie Tucker: I like my tchotchkes.

JoAnn Crohn: You like your tchotchkes. I cannot handle them.

Brie Tucker: I like my little things. so actually that would be another thing for this year is I am looking at, I just moved my office back in October. I live in a three story townhouse, so. My office had been in my bedroom, which those boundaries were not working well for me The only nice part of it was I could occasionally roll out of bed and be right there at my desk.

So now it’s on the first floor So like that is also my my dream for this year is to have my office look the way I want it to look because i’ve never Had an office before that I could actually decorate the way I wanted it. So i’m very excited for that

JoAnn Crohn: That’s exciting. See, that’s a good thing. You could look forward to that in January. Do you like a little redecorating of your office and making it your own personal space?

Brie Tucker: Yeah, so that’s like, that would actually be another great thing, I think, for anybody to deal with, , kind of with some self care strategies, like make yourself a project that is fun and maybe it’s something within your home and if you give yourself enough time, it doesn’t have to be, like, crazy expensive, but also I, I do, there is a lot of validity for hiring help.

JoAnn Crohn: Oh my gosh. Yes. Hire the help. Hire. There’s actually like websites that will design it for you for really cheap.

Brie Tucker: Oh, really?

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah, you can give them pictures of your style and like my sister in law used it and I can’t remember what called like roomly or I don’t know. We’ll figure it out. We’ll put it in the show notes. It’ll be good.

Brie Tucker: Okay. We will. That’s how it’s often,

JoAnn Crohn: So with your self care strategies, you really, it’s self care is really all about yourself. So you have to figure out what brings you joy, what makes you look forward to something. It can’t be something that you feel like you have to do, nor can it be. The commodified self care, which is like, Oh, I’m going to work out every day. Oh, I’m going to make sure I go get a manicure and a pedicure. No, that’s like up leveled hygiene. I feel like it’s

Brie Tucker: Well, it’s not just you, it’s not just you that feels that way. Like in this, in the, in the self care community in general, that is not considered. We’re trying to help break the thought process that hygiene or upscaled hygiene. Gets to count as self care

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah, no, it’s maintenance. It

Brie Tucker: I say almost basic, right? That’s your like You deserve

JoAnn Crohn: is. It’s your basic right.

Brie Tucker: to be able to bathe you deserve to be able to have clothes that fit you you deserve to be able to Work out and have that time to help clear your brain that isn’t

JoAnn Crohn: to feel strong in your body. Yes, you deserve that. You deserve all of those things. So when you’re looking for this, make sure you find something fun. We really want to hear about it too. So if you want to go comment on Instagram or leave us a review here on the No Guilt Mom podcast, tell us what you’re doing for self care this year. We would love to hear it. So in terms of self care, we’ve talked about a lot of really big things. Let’s talk about how to make this a little more realistic to you.

And we’re going to do that right after this break. so often we begin a year and we’re like, this is going to be my year. This is going to be the perfect year. This is when I’m going to like I’m going to lose like 50 pounds. I’m going to like. What a really big goals we hear, Brie.

Brie Tucker: was just going with the whole it’s gonna be the

JoAnn Crohn: Whatever, yeah, I’m going to declutter my whole house. I’m gonna, um, that’s a big one. That’s a big one we hear all the time. I’m gonna stop yelling completely. I mean, give

Brie Tucker: yes. Yep. we’re gonna have a set day every week where we all do family stuff and no one fights like, okay,

JoAnn Crohn: Oh yeah. Be

Brie Tucker: gotta, gotta reign in a little bit. Let’s, let’s that, that

JoAnn Crohn: and today being January you’ve probably already made that goal and it’s already failed and you’re like, well, crap, what are we going to do after this? it’s all about setting those realistic expectations about what to achieve. Or maybe it’s just what’s your meaning and what’s your purpose?

Because I’ve been taking a lot free into like. You know, how to prevent burnout and how to find happiness. And in this book I’m reading right now, burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagoski, the third chapter talks about , One of the biggest buffers against burnout is to have a deeper meaning and a deeper purpose because that purpose is really what propels you and what helps you get through really hard times and keeps you going forward.

So yeah. So for example, like my, my deeper meaning and purpose is really to help. Other women realize how the message we’ve been told about being moms is not serving us and is something that we can change and when we change that, we become happier people and not only that, but we show the next generation how.

They can change it as well. being that example and it’s like really world changing. And that’s what I wake up for every single day. I’m like, okay, like who can I help and who can I push along the way? So they experienced less stress and . So we can take over the world because

Brie Tucker: we can take over

JoAnn Crohn: mean, like women

Brie Tucker: Mm-Hmm.

JoAnn Crohn: are in such like a place where we have great capacity for doing , not doing more, but having more of an impact. but to do that, we really have to shed some beliefs that we have about ourselves. And what we’re here to do. So finding exactly what you’re meeting and what your purpose is, is something that helps with that. And in the book, I love it because they give the example of, Disney movies and the female leads in Disney movies, finding out what their deeper purposes and what their calling is.

And one of the examples is Moana where. All throughout the movie, Moana’s like, you know, the ocean, it calls me, you know, and she sings this song and then she switches to be like, it was never outside me. It’s The call’s always been in me. and she’s realized that her deeper purpose is just to go explore and to be like with the outside world outside of her island. And that’s Moana’s purpose. and all the, all the princesses in the Disney movies and non princesses, Moana’s the daughter of a chief. She’s going to be the chief. My favorite Disney movie, by the way. So good. they’re all looking for a deeper meaning and a deeper purpose. And that’s something that I don’t feel we talk about enough.

We talk about not us in particular, just as a society, we talk about like, Oh, we’re going to declutter or, Oh, we’re going to lose 20 pounds. But for what? Like, why are we doing it? What is the why behind everything? Because when you know your why, you are able to move around challenges that get in your way, which will, they will all get in your way because you’re always looking at that bigger picture and what you’re doing and what you’re here for. so some ways to like find deeper meaning their, their goals and achievement.

Deeper meaning is some people find their deeper meaning in serving a higher spiritual power, you know, so regardless of like if you’re religious or if you’re not religious, it’s just something higher than yourself. and, other find it in like really deep and loving relationships and improving those relationships with people. And, parenting could be one of those things that people do find a deeper meaning in. but it really just depends on you and what you’re involved in.

Brie Tucker: Well, I was going to say, like, so what I’m hearing on this, is that. your deeper, your meaning that you’re looking for. First of all, you don’t have to necessarily overthink it because that can be a lot of pressure. Like I try to figure out what my meaning is and a lot of us will default to what’s around us.

Like, okay, so my, my meaning is to be a great mom or whatever. And I will say like, okay, so to share my, my meaning had always been Because I’ve always been in this, social work field of, like, helping others. And so I always, , wanted my, whatever it is I did with my life, to have a positive impact on others.

And. Early in my career, that was like by doing early intervention and helping families that had children with disabilities and helping people find the resources that are out there that they need to help support their goals to be the people that they want to be, most of the time, the parents that they want to be.

And then, and I went through my divorce, and then I felt like my purpose was still in that, that realm of like helping others, but it changed to, Sharing my story and my experiences and still connecting people with the resources that they need to get through these kinds of things. And especially, especially I focus a lot on trying to help people from getting in the pitfalls of toxic relationships, right? And trying to. Help them realize that they have worth outside of their role in their family. Same same as you mine is a little bit more of trying to like not have anybody wake up like I did and going Like oh my god, what am I doing?

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. Well, I mean, that, that’s a deeper meaning,

Brie Tucker: yeah, yeah. but the point is, is that it’s fluid, it can change, it can be whatever. So like, while that is what’s giving you your drive. So again, like while my drive at first was to help people find resources, in helping people have like a positive, like having a positive impact on other people’s lives.

I can’t control like that. That was a really big thing. Cause I was like, I can’t control whether or not I had a positive impact on somebody’s life. I can’t control whether or not. Somebody saw their interactions with me as a good thing or a bad thing. I don’t know where i’m going with

JoAnn Crohn: but it’s always, but it’s, but it’s even like refining. So it’s not, I don’t even think your purpose has changed that much. I think it’s always like connected by the same thing. It’s really helping women usually. Helping women, navigate through life and like not be, taken down by the pitfalls or their challenges or their struggles.

Because one thing in interesting looking back at your life, and I’m talking to you listening to this podcast right now, looking back at your life, you have always had the same meaning and purpose driving you. You might just not know. that it’s been driving you. And one way to look at it is to look at every single challenge that you’ve had and look to see how you’ve come through it and then what your survival skills were through it as well.

And that’ll really show you exactly what your deep seated beliefs are and what your meaning is. So for example, like one of my big challenges was when I was. Like high achiever thought I had to be the best at everything. And if I wasn’t the best and I was worthless, I failed the national board certification and they don’t say you failed, by the way, that was my own personal thing. And who can, when you don’t get it, you fail it. That’s like, that’s

Brie Tucker: Okay. You’re, you’re doing your, you’re doing that quote from tell it a good night. It’s like, uh, uh, what was his name? Bobby whatever. And he’s like, if you’re not number one, you’re last. you’re not first, you’re last. And I’m like, Oh my god, that’s such a, that’s so much brochure! There’s second, there’s third, there’s fourth, there’s a lot of other places you can be!

JoAnn Crohn: Oh my gosh. But, but it’s true. Like, if you, a lot of us have that mentality. so like, when I failed it, I went into this really, really deep, crying every day sort of thing. because it struck me to my soul what I was doing. Like, it totally ruined this perception I had of myself. and it came coming out of that, realizing if I could just focus on the things that I have control over, pick those out and really figure out what exactly is going on.

where are my issues in this application? Where is the thing that I. can improve on and can look for more learning and support to improve on. And in that case, I was like, Oh, I’m going to redo this entry because I really don’t, feel confident teaching writing in this way. And I went back and I went, I went into like, my school had a new program that was amazing.

I learned more about that and I became. Better through that process. I reapplied. I became better and I didn’t make it the second time either. But because of what I had gone through the first time, that second time, I was one point away. I’m like, no big deal. And I apply the same things I did. I don’t feel confident teaching reading.

I’m going to go more into this and I’m going to retake that one. And I got it. I got it. That taught me that the value of personal, like reflection, the value of insight into my life helped me become better. And I was not a bad person for failing. Rather, I was looking at the skills I still needed to develop and it really helped me.

And that is something that I still take with me to my parenting. It’s something that I take with me to my coaching, that. You’re not a bad person right now. You just need to really define exactly what you need to work on and concentrate on that thing to get to the level you want to get. But that showed me I value perseverance and I value not giving up. And I want to encourage other women. to do the same.

Brie Tucker: that’s the

JoAnn Crohn: process I’ve ever done, like training for that. And I inspired actually some of my friends to take on marathoning as well during that time. And the thing I take from that is like, you can also, you can do really hard things and you can push yourself a little bit while staying comfortable, but like challenge a little bit.

And that comes to me today and helping women be more powerful. and strong. So looking back at your life, you could kind of see, okay, what challenges have I come up with? How have I come against? What have I learned and how has what I learned helped me today? And what do I do for other people because of that? It

Brie Tucker: Yeah, and I want to say, like, that’s actually and you might be going like, wait a second, I feel like this podcast has kind of gone in a, in a, in a left hand turn or whatever, but it hasn’t. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because what I, what I want to bring up is that at the beginning of this episode, I was talking about that holiday hangover, feeling overwhelmed, there’s too much going on that I have to do.

And it’s just, I miss all the things that happened before. And I don’t know what to look forward to going forward. One of the best ways to help you get out of an area where you’re in a negative mindset, you’re overwhelmed. There’s a lot of things going on is to look at what has gone right. like like you just said, look at the challenges that you’ve had in your life. and what happened out of them? How did I get out of those challenges? How did I move forward? And that gives you that framework, like you just said okay, this is what I can do going forward. It I threw out credit card bills as one like I don’t have to be a millionaire to pay off the credit card bills I just gotta come up with a plan. I’ve done it before I could do it

JoAnn Crohn: Yeah,

Brie Tucker: Like whatever it is that that’s that’s bringing you down You can come up with a plan to move forward and we are fantastic at that especially in the mind body unicorn challenge So if you’re listening to this live as we’re dropping this episode in january of 2024, you need to come join us in that.

JoAnn Crohn: Yep. there’s a link, of course, in the show notes. So we look forward to all of the great things that you are going to do here in 2024. And remember the best mom’s a happy mom. Take care of you. We’ll talk to you later.

Brie Tucker: Thanks for stopping by 

Brie Tucker

COO/ Podcast Producer at No Guilt Mom
Brie Tucker has over 20 years of experience coaching parents with a background in early childhood and special needs. She holds a B.S. in Psychology from the University of Central Missouri and is certified in Positive Discipline as well as a Happiest Baby Educator.

She’s a divorced mom to two teenagers.

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