Podcast Episode 419: Yelled at Your Kids? Here’s How to Repair (Without the Mom Guilt Spiral) Transcripts

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JoAnn Crohn (00:00)

Welcome to the No Guilt Mom podcast. I’m your host, JoAnn Crohn, joined here by the brilliant Brie Tucker. ⁓

Brie Tucker (00:06)

Hello, everybody how are you?

JoAnn Crohn (00:08)

We are getting into this holiday season and we know that stress levels are really high. There might be some, you know, losing as Brie calls, losing your schiznit going on.

Brie Tucker (00:21)

Yep, losing your shiznit and my husband has a new one. We call it losing our top. It was me messing up trying to say flipping my lid. Instead I said losing my top.

JoAnn Crohn (00:31)

We did that on a podcast episode, yeah.

Brie Tucker (00:33)

We did that’s where that was. Okay. I must have told him about it because now every time I yell He’s like, are you good to take off your top and I’m like shut up You’re 12 Stop back to that 12 year old

JoAnn Crohn (00:45)

But you know, happens, yelling happens, and today we’re gonna talk about how to repair and reconnect because that’s really the most important thing. It’s not that you’re a perfect human, everybody gets upset, everybody loses it, but we’re gonna tell you how to fix it. So this episode is for you if you feel guilty after yelling at your kids or if you are worried that you messed up your relationship or you set a bad example.

If you have that constant mantra in your head going, I’m a bad mom, I’m a bad mom, I’m a bad mom, this episode is for you. So Brie, let’s get on with the show.

Brie Tucker (01:26)

Okay guys, we are going to talk about the truth here, that we all lose our temper, we all yell, we all do it. It might be our partner, it might be our kids, it might be our dog, it might be our best friend. That annoying coworker that keeps like spraying their vanilla perfume even though you can’t stand the scent of vanilla. 

JoAnn Crohn (01:50)

I would lose it on that person. totally. Smells, my gosh, smells I cannot handle. I will like totally lose it. I’m the one who will like tell somebody on an airplane, excuse me, tuna is not a great airplane food. Can you please put that away? Like it’s not fair.

Brie Tucker (02:06)

I think the entire plane would be applauding for you with that one for sure. Like that would be just too much.

JoAnn Crohn (02:13)

I was on a plane once with my daughter and she sprayed herself with perfume on the plane. I’m like, what are you thinking? Like.

Brie Tucker (02:20)

⁓ my gosh, okay I will say this both of my we’re gonna do this one last thing about since both of my kids leave a trail in the house You can smell their their body sprays as they walk by and my husband who was way more sensitive about smells than I am Gets so irritated and me. I’m just like over there gagging thinking that you know, if I gag enough my kids will notice it. No Not yet, no

JoAnn Crohn (02:45)

No, they haven’t. They need direct telling. They do. Of you are a little strong over there. Maybe like one spritz instead of five.

Brie Tucker (02:56)

Blame Axe Body Spray. That’s where it all started, if you ask me. I digress. Yeah. Okay, so we’ve lost it now. We have yelled at our kids, and there are a lot of reasons why we lose it, why we yell. Like we just talked about, over stimulation, maybe from smell, maybe from breathing. 

JoAnn Crohn (03:13)

noise.

Noise gets a lot of moms actually, like those loop earplugs are very popular right now because you put them in your ear and it muffles all the sounds so it’s not as irritating and you could actually hear your kids still, but it’s not overwhelmed.

Brie Tucker (03:30)

See, now I haven’t tried those yet because I already have muffled hearing and I’m willing to bet that if I put those in, I wouldn’t hear. I would enjoy it. Others would be annoyed with me.

JoAnn Crohn (03:41)

Well, I mean my husband walks around with headphones on and he’s constantly has something else in his ears because he knows that noise is something that gets to him at the end of a day and that’s his coping strategy. It’s a little annoying when you’re like, hey, hey and like he has to tap his ear so it goes off. ⁓ But that’s overstimulation right there.

Brie Tucker (03:59)

Yeah, I’ve had some people throw things at me. So yes, being overstimulated I think is number one. Any mom that has ever had a headache and had a kid come at her yelling, whining, anything, that’ll set me off in a second. And I think a lot of moms, a lot of parents have that. But there’s also that pressure, right? That I think our generation has of where we have to be perfect and we can’t raise our voice and we can’t do anything that our parents did that we’re not happy with.

Dang, that’s a lot of pressure.

JoAnn Crohn (04:35)

It’s a lot of pressure and there’s also the mindset that I know a lot of moms who have jobs outside the home tell themselves that they should be enjoying their kids every second. And it’s not true. I just want to put it out there. It’s not true. Like nobody loves it when two human beings are fighting at each other. Two human beings who you love are yelling.

things at each other, calling each other names, one of them may bite the other one. No one’s enjoying themselves there. No one.

Brie Tucker (05:10)

And no one enjoys either being touched out. And I’m gonna just say right there, like we all have different levels. We just talked about being overly stimulated. We all have different levels of stimulation that we can handle. But just because your level is different than say your parenting partner or your best friend or your mom, that doesn’t make you a bad person. We’re here to just tell you like, we know that voice in your head. We know Bob is being a real jerk and he’s like,

God, you suck, you yell, die, rah. No, no, it happens. The truth is we all yell, we all lose it. It doesn’t make you a bad person. It certainly doesn’t make you a bad mom. It just makes you real. Yeah. Right?

JoAnn Crohn (05:55)

I think you bring up an interesting point about having different sensory limits than other people because I think it’s even harder if you kind of pride yourself on being the patient one. You’re like, I’m so patient, I’m so patient. And then you lose it and you’re like, my gosh, my whole identity is in question now. I don’t know what to do with myself. Yes.

Brie Tucker (06:14)

That’s a very good point because I do think that sometimes we get those compliments from people, right? Like my husband will tell me that I’m a very patient, kind, loving and caring person. And I love that. But when I have those moments where I don’t want to be kind, I don’t want to be patient. I have nothing left inside of me, but anger and frustration. It makes me feel like I’m not living up to the person I should be because of that, because it’s the same, like it’s still that, it’s somewhat my identity and I struggle with that. And I think that other moms probably do.

JoAnn Crohn (06:51)

bringing it back to the identity. Like I am somebody who’s been told I am so patient. Sometimes I think that’s a backhanded compliment to say like I’m too nice, like I don’t stand up for myself, but I’m a very, very patient person, especially when it comes to kids, not so much when it comes to adults.

Brie Tucker (07:08)

I digress. I’m going to say yes, yes, you are the most patient person I have ever met with a big group of kids. I mean, our Girl Scout troop, couldn’t have paid me enough to be in charge of that thing. But I also would say you’re pretty patient. But that doesn’t have to be our identity. Please go on. ⁓

JoAnn Crohn (07:22)

Yeah, I mean, the time I lost it is I think I was just so stressed from the day and then like my kids were just not helping with stuff. My son was like fighting me against doing the dishes. My daughter wouldn’t come out for dinner because she’s like, I ate a whole box of Cheez-Its. I’m not hungry. Of course. And I went into the kitchen and I remember just facing the corner and screaming to the wall just going like, like, because I had like to get all of it out of me. they’re like, Mom, are you okay? I’m like, sorry, I was just frustrated. I’m all good now. I just needed to take a little break. That’s telling me I need to take a little break. This isn’t about you. I had a lot of stress today. I just need a little break. Yeah, and you immediately feel bad after it because you see the scared expression on their faces and it makes you feel like crap.

Brie Tucker (08:17)

Yeah, because I feel like you can have like two reactions when you yell to your kids. And again, we’re gonna focus mostly on this episode about yelling at your kids, but it could be the same with your partner or spouse, anybody else, you but you either get the, where they’re taken aback and shocked, right? And or possibly nervous, they don’t know what to do next. Or you get where they just double down. I’ve got the double down kid. I’ve got the quiet nervous kid, but, my interactions are mostly with my youngest and she’s the one that is doubling down. If I yell, she yells. I yell louder, she yells louder. And we just end up going back and forth at each other. And I mean, I could think of a million times where that comes up, but the most where I end up losing it with her is when she wants to do something. just the other day she was, ⁓ hey mom, my friend’s parents are going to take her to Cabo for her birthday. And I only need to miss three days of school.

And I’d like to go and I’m like, well, who else going? Well, her mom’s taking her and her boyfriend. And I’m like, mm, there are so many issues with this that I have on my own end. And yeah, and like, I just kept saying to her like, no, I’m not comfortable with this. Well, why? I’m around boys every day at school and you don’t care. I’m like, okay, it’s not the same thing as going to another country with a small group of people. And yes, I trust her mom. There’s so many factors here I don’t trust.

And the more I would get agitated, the more my voice would go up and the more hers would go up. So eventually it was so much back and forth that I was just like, you’re not going anywhere. Stop freaking out. And then honestly, this is the look I got back. Well, you didn’t have to yell. ⁓ my God. I could have strangled her like in a cartoon right there. I was like Bugs Bunny and like whatever at that moment. I just, got up and I just left cause I couldn’t, I couldn’t anymore.

JoAnn Crohn (09:55)

That’s all you could do. And if you have been in this situation too, which if you’re with us right now, I’m sure you have, we’re gonna walk you through three calm back steps to reconnect and actually strengthen the relationship after a yelling moment. And we’ll do that right after this.

So you’ve yelled, now let’s talk about what to do next. Because the hardest thing about yelling at kids is that they’re kids. What we do with them right now shapes the rest of their lives, how they form their own identity, how they see us as safety. It feels like a lot of pressure. It feels like a lot of pressure.

Brie Tucker (10:53)

I was just about to say, okay, we’re gonna lay on the pressure right there. It’s true and not true, right?

JoAnn Crohn (11:00)

It’s true, but you can always counteract it with this repair strategy. The thing that’s necessary is repair, repair, repair. I could tell you a situation where there is not repair that I’m seeing and it’s between one of my kids and one of their teachers at school who constantly is yelling at them and just yells and like says things like, I know you think you know everything to kids and who has not apologized for their own behavior and who has not tried to repair anything just makes it a normal kind of circumstance. And I say that without giving too many information. There’s a lot of information I want to share with you guys right now. There’s a lot.

Brie Tucker (11:48)

I don’t even know this back story. Wow.

JoAnn Crohn (11:50)

Yeah, it’s some good gossip right here. It’s some good gossip. But my child went to one of the administrators and they have texts from this person, showed the texts. Just talked about what happened today, which is what this person yelled at everybody in the whole room was silent for like many minutes. And that administrator was like, hey, I know you don’t want to get this person in trouble, but they’re stressed. They’re stressed. And I’m like, you know what?

No, because as an adult, and this is where I’m getting here, guys, as an adult, we are responsible for our interactions, especially when we’re dealing with kids, especially when we’re dealing with kids. So if you are having a lot of stress right now, yes, that’s valid. You have a lot of stress. That’s a very, very valid thing. I’m not saying anything about that. The only thing you have to do is to recognize the stress and then you need to move to this repair stuff as quickly as possible. That’s how you fix the situation. letting it go, letting it go, letting it go, and just saying, I’m stressed, not the way to fix the situation.

Brie Tucker (12:56)

Right, again, I think it’s fantastic and we’ve talked about this on previous podcast episodes. It’s important for our kids to know why things happen, what our internal dialogue is, because the younger they are, the more they’re looking up to us as, God forbid, that perfect adult that never has any issues. And they think that we are just able to handle things so well, but without them knowing what’s going through our heads, like what we’re thinking why it happened, they’re just left there sitting clueless and thinking, gosh, they hate me.

JoAnn Crohn (13:27)

Or it’s me. Yeah, shame. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. comes down on them.

Brie Tucker (13:31)

And we know that that is not the reason. So like you said, first thing to do is recognize.

JoAnn Crohn (13:37)

You’re in that state, the tense shoulders, the racing heart, the urge to fix everything immediately. What? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who?

Brie Tucker (13:47)

What’d he say, Brie? What? Also for me, my head feels like it’s going to explode because like my blood pressure goes up and I get ringing in my ears when I’m really mad. Ooh, yeah. As soon as I can feel my head feeling like it’s kind of crunching in, I know it’s a weird thing that I’m-

JoAnn Crohn (14:04)

I know what you’re talking about. Someone going through anxiety right now with the blood pressure high, yes, I know exactly what you’re talking about. That feeling of fullness in your head.

Brie Tucker (14:14)

Yeah, as soon as that happens, I’m like, I know. And it took me years to get there. And I think that, you know, having people in my life like you and our friend Shana and my friend Jen, my husband, Miguel, like I think having people like that, that don’t see that as a fault and understand that we all have that has given me permission to be able to pause and go, okay, I’m recognizing that I’m really upset right now with this interaction and I’m going to leave.

The story I shared about my daughter, I wish I had just said, I’m going to leave before I yell. But I didn’t. I yelled and then I left. okay, all right. Recognizing is important. Whether it happens before the yell or after, we still got to recognize.

JoAnn Crohn (14:47)

Yeah. recognize it and you could also recognize it after the fact and say like, hey, I was feeling this way. This is not on you. This is all me. And I think that’s really important to take the blame off of kids and put it on ourselves and taking responsibility for our own actions and emotions.

Brie Tucker (15:18)

Yeah, and if you step away, we want you to remember, try your best not to spiral into that. I suck, suck, I suck. I’m a terrible parent. My child’s now going to live in my basement the rest of their life.

JoAnn Crohn (15:33)

Yeah. Or move away and never talk to me again and do the whole like abandoning of the parent and say they don’t want any contact. Yes. That’s a fear of mine. Now I saw one news article and I’m like, what am I set up for this? I’m sure I’m not, but it’s like.

Brie Tucker (15:49)

My God, that is so funny. We are so the same and so different. My biggest fear is my kids living in my basement for the rest of my life. Not my basement, but living with me the rest of their lives. I’m like, no, please go have your own happy life.

JoAnn Crohn (16:06)

Yeah, so first recognize you’re in that state. The second one is to regulate yourself. Do something that helps make you calm in the situation. Sometimes I know just talking about it and what’s stressing me out helps me call a friend. Don’t talk about it with your kids. That doesn’t work. They’re not a good sounding board.

Brie Tucker (16:27)

No, no, they’re not. And trust me, if you have siblings and you talk smack on one to the other, no, no, no, even if you’re joking, it don’t work out well. But yeah, like stepping away, we’ve talked about before, like grounding techniques of like sitting quietly. If you can get away from your kids, I know that’s harder when they’re like, you know, toddlers and whatnot. But if you can get away from them for a couple of minutes just to help your body re-regulate.

Brie Tucker (16:52)

them in the playpen, let them go sit in their room in a safe spot like you go to your room. For me, my new regulation, laying on my bed and turn on my eye massager. That’s only been like a couple of weeks, man, but I’m loving that.

JoAnn Crohn (17:06)

that’s awesome. I love lying on my bed, too. I love reading when I need to regulate or like playing New York Times games like Wurdle and Pips and the mini.

Brie Tucker (17:19)

I’m so mad they took the mini off the free games. I don’t have that one anymore. That’s why like wind down at night. Well, I mean, I’m debating on it. They’re getting me because I played it for like a year. yeah, like so things like that help calm me down or I go on my TikTok and I’m on the algorithm side of cute dog videos. My husband started with dog videos that save babies. I’m really enjoying my feed lately. It helps calm me down.

JoAnn Crohn (17:24)

Another thing on the New York Times game subscription, they have all of the old minis too, in the archive.

Brie Tucker (17:51)

So you can play other ones? don’t tell me this. You’re gonna make me spend money and I’m trying to save. Okay.

JoAnn Crohn (17:57)

It’s a good thing. It’s a good thing. So recognize you’re in the state, regulate yourself in some way. And then when you’re calm, when your kids calm, that’s when you reconnect. And when you reconnect, it’s just a really simple script. I shouldn’t have yelled. I was upset and you didn’t deserve that.

Brie Tucker (18:16)

Yep. like to say losing my cool or losing my schiznit because it makes my kids laugh and it makes me feel better when they laugh. Because then I’m like, okay, good. They don’t entirely hate me, which is fine. But still now I’m even like spiraling into the whole like, I don’t need them to like me, but no, the reconnecting part, I do need them to know that I love them. And I have said that to them before. Like, I’m sorry. I lost my schiznit. I’m sorry. I yelled. And I realized that, you know, right now you might not want to talk to me and that’s totally fine.

I just want you to know that I love you and that I was upset about XYZ and I’m going to work on calming down about that. And whenever you are ready to talk to me, I would love to get a chance to have this conversation again. And I walk away. I know, right? I’m so good.

JoAnn Crohn (18:59)

Yeah, I think that’s a great thing. I know, right? I’m so good at that. I’m so good at that.

Brie Tucker (19:08)

If you guys could only see my expression with that, it’s taken a lot of work. Brie has to repair a lot. I’ll be honest with you. The two of us, we know I’m the yeller. I’m one that has to my mic volume down lower or else I would blow everybody’s eardrums out. I’m a loud fairy and when I get upset, I just explode. It doesn’t make it okay. It’s not allowed. As adults, we shouldn’t be throwing temper tantrums. We really shouldn’t.

JoAnn Crohn (19:34)

I think of some people in the public sphere and I’m like, can you tell them that please? That’d be great. But after the break, we’re going to share three quick tools to prevent the next meltdown. This will help with yours and with theirs. And we’ll do that right after this.

Brie Tucker (19:54)

Okay, guys, now the three tools that we’re gonna share with you guys is gonna help you with keeping your cool next time. I have used these tools, JoAnn uses these tools, we teach these tools and No Guilt Mom and our Balance Community and we’re actually gonna be talking about them in our upcoming Happy Holidays, Happier Kids free challenge we have coming up too. So the first one, and this is a very, very famous one that you…probably are going to need to use, especially when your kids are little, because it’s harder to get away. It’s called the pause and pivot. Pivot! I thinking of friends as boss,

Brie Tucker (20:36)

Okay, so the pause and pivot. JoAnn, would you like to explain that one?

JoAnn Crohn (20:41)

So you just need to ask yourself, is this about them or is this about me? And typically the answer is always gonna be it’s about me. Especially little kids, there’s so much pressure I see parents put on themselves with little kids looking and seeing that thinking every interaction they have, they need to correct or they need to make sure their kids are acting appropriately and if their kids aren’t acting appropriately, they need to correct it. I just wanna like put a pin in that behavior right there. You don’t need to do that for little kids. Little kids are little kids and everything they do is just their little kid nature. Not everything needs to be corrected. So when you do get mad and frustrated with them, this is a chance for you to just pause and breathe.

pause and breathe. And sometimes this is enough. And if this is enough, this is when the pause and pivot works. You choose connection over correction. You choose to kneel down to them and be like, hey, what’s going on? Or, hey, you look like you need a hug. I love you. Or, hey, let’s stop talking about this really quick and let’s go over there. Because every behavior is communication with anyone and when your kids are acting out or when your kids aren’t listening to you, it’s not that they’re being defiant. It’s them communicating to you they’re under some sort of stress. Yeah. And so that’s when the pause and pivot works with connection.

Brie Tucker (22:19)

Yeah, sometimes that stress is even that they are just tired. They are just hungry. Same for us too, right? So yeah, I like the pause and pivot because it’s just like, hey, we’re going to pause. We need a minute. Let’s start over. And like you said, whatever it is that you need. Now, the second tool is the one that I was saying that I tend to use with my older kids. And when I say older, gosh, probably since elementary school and up. The mini repair. That’s what the second tip is. The mini repair. And it is so awesome.

Don’t overthink it guys, it’s really easy. You’ve had the moment, you’ve exploded, all right? And now you’re able to see that that happened and you’re like, darn, I want to repair. Not I need to repair, I want to repair. Cause trust me, kids can see through that fake, I’m sorry. Just like we see our kids do to each other. All right, have the moment once you’re calm, come to them and be like, can I give you a hug or?

Can I have a hug? Making that eye contact with them, meeting them at an empathetic level, being like, yeah, I really yelled loud on that one. I really lost my cool. I really kind of flipped and I’m really sorry. I love you. And when you’re ready, I’d love to spend more time with you. I’d love to hang out. I’d love to do whatever.

Just have that moment and make sure that you’re trying to do a real connect. You don’t need your kid to connect back. And that’s a huge thing to realize with this mini repair. Give them their space to reconnect. So, yeah, right.

JoAnn Crohn (23:57)

If they’re not ready to reconnect yet, that’s okay. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad parent. It really, really does it. It just means they’re not ready and they will come back when they’re ready. We assure you that. ⁓ third one, I feel like is something to do after you’ve made the initial connection attempt. It’s something to kind of get back on the same page where you’re going to do something to reset both you and your child. Maybe it’s a calm down corner where you have some coloring or cozy blankets or some calm tools. We have one of these calm tools in the Happy Holidays Happier Kids VIP, which is called my Winter Calm Plan, which is a great thing to do with kids, especially kids who have those big emotions. But it’s doing something together. So it’s not a punishment. It’s just getting really cozy and quiet, maybe, and coloring. Or maybe it’s listening to music or maybe it’s cuddling on the couch and watching a movie, whatever it might be, just some kind of activity that inspires that connection.

Brie Tucker (25:03)

One of my favorites to go to with my teens is, hey, you want to go get some ice cream? And they’re always down for that one.

JoAnn Crohn (25:12)

Our code word is sweet treat. ⁓ sweet treat.

Brie Tucker (25:15)

That would be a good one to use except for when we say the word treat, like my dog right now is already looking at me with his ears perked in his head up going, what? ⁓ So, but yeah, that’s a guaranteed connection with both of my kids. Want me to go buy you something? ⁓

JoAnn Crohn (25:21)

I’m gonna go buy you something. They’re like, I’ll go anywhere to buy it

Brie Tucker (25:33)

Well, yeah, that’s why I clarify. It’s food. I’m not buying your love, but like, hey, let’s go enjoy it. You can’t be mad over ice cream. Come on. Unless you’re like, you know, lactose intolerant. Everybody’s happy over it. Like you just it’s a good thing.

JoAnn Crohn (25:49)

Yeah, just remember yelling doesn’t make you a bad mom. It makes you human. Everybody does. And repairing really builds that trust and resilience. It also shows something we haven’t mentioned is that it’s okay to make mistakes and come back from them.

Brie Tucker (26:07)

Yeah, 100 % because when your kids see that, they see that it is okay to not be perfect. It is okay to feel these big overwhelming feelings, but that it’s your actions that make a difference. And that once you have lost your cool, that you have come back to reconnect, I think that’s huge. Having lived and been in relationships with people that refuse to acknowledge that they are ever in wrong, that they’ve ever done wrong and that it’s always somebody else’s fault. It’s an emotionally draining relationship and it makes it so that it is hard to really connect with people like that. It may sound like I’m getting on a soap box right now, but I’m just trying to articulate why it means those couple little words of, I’m sorry, I love you, I’m gonna try better next time and this is why that happened.

Those little things mean so much to people because it means that you genuinely care and that you want to work with them. And emotional regulation is learned through practice, through your ability to keep trying it over and over again. Sometimes you’ll do better at it than others, but that’s okay.

JoAnn Crohn (27:23)

Yeah, and that is what we’re practicing here. We’re practicing emotional regulation. And if you want your kids to also learn emotional regulation, but you’re not quite sure where to start, guys, we have a challenge for you. We’re doing this Happy Holidays, Happy Your Kids Challenge. It’s completely free. It will help you and your kids stay calm, grateful, and meltdown free this season because they’re video created for kids. I’ve created them. It’s a little lesson you watch together. It’s not more than the longest of six minutes. I know it’s a lot.

six minutes, but you’re gonna figure out and your kids get to figure out what your holiday triggers are. So they’re gonna learn that name triggers. They are going to learn some of those calming exercises to really like turn to when it gets a little heated, you know, after they’re big feelings. And they’re also going to practice some self compassion. There is an acronym I’m going to teach them called joy.

JoAnn Crohn (28:19)

which will help them start being kind to themselves. I mean, how good would it have been if we knew about self-compassion earlier, this whole thing that being kind to yourself works better than being critical.

Brie Tucker (28:29)

my goodness, yes. I would have so much less anxiety and shame on a regular basis. I have gotten so much better though over the years as I have been practicing my self-compassion.

JoAnn Crohn (28:42)

Yeah, it’s a big thing. So you can go to balanceformoms.com forward slash holiday dash challenge. We also have of course VIP for you as well. So if you want to be in a group with me, we’ll all go live with you all the way to the end of the year to get you to the end of the holidays. That’s available in VIP. We also have this cool little custom GPT we created to help you create your personalized holiday plan aligned with what we’re teaching in the challenge. So it’s like having me and Bri and the No Guilt Mom team like right by you coaching you and telling you how you can plan your holidays with more of those calm moments. That and more so upgrade to VIP because I want to meet you in there. Until next time. Remember, the best mom is a happy mom. Take care of you. We’ll talk to you later.

Brie Tucker (29:32)

Thanks for stopping by.

JoAnn Crohn (29:36)

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