Podcast Episode 397: Are You Addicted to Being Needed? Transcripts

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JoAnn Crohn (00:00)

Welcome to the No Guilt Mom podcast. I’m your host, JoAnn Crohn, joined here by the brilliant Brie Tucker.

Brie Tucker (00:08)

Hello everybody how are you? JoAnn, JoAnn, we did it again today.

JoAnn Crohn (00:13)

We did it again. We did it again, guys. in olive green, olive green tank tops.

Brie Tucker (00:17)

Okay, yes, green has been our color lately, but guys, I’m not kidding you. JoAnn, we need to come up with a reel of the amount of times that we hop onto a video call with each other or we end up meeting up in person for whatever reason and we are wearing the same outfit, just different shades.

JoAnn Crohn (00:35)

That’s true. That’s true. think I got on video with you and I’m like, what the hell? Well, how did we do this again? I know!

Brie Tucker (00:41)

Like we are both wearing sleeveless green tops I have on white shorts. What are you wearing? Blue jeans. Okay, so slightly different there.

JoAnn Crohn (00:50)

What am I wearing? Oh, they’re blue jeans. Yes, they’re good. Nothing. I’m wearing nothing. I got it. It’s different kind of podcast.

Brie Tucker (00:59)

Well, okay. subject here for another moment guys, but still related to the clothing thing. And you said like, what am I wearing on bottom? Yesterday, we were going to go see my parents in the evening, like just pop over for a little high because everybody was off work in the evening. And I’m like, my gosh, it never happens with my whole family of four. So we were supposed to go at a certain time, something got miscommunicated, Audrey went over early. And once we figured out Audrey was on her way there, we’re like, crap, we got to go. She’s going to beat us.

And then it won’t be a surprise because she’ll get there before us. So I’m screaming and yelling, Robert, let’s go. Come on. Everybody, let’s get in the car. We’re driving there, actually. And somebody asked me for something. I’m like, I didn’t have time to get it. I was in a rush. I go, as a matter of fact, and I look down, I’m like, I’m still wearing sweatpants. Thank you, guys. I had on a nice top because we had a podcast interview. And I was still wearing sweat shorts because I didn’t have time to get changed.

So my point to be is that people most of the time I’m wearing sweatshirts.

JoAnn Crohn (02:03)

This is actually a really good tie into what we’re talking about today. Okay. We are talking about, you addicted to being needed? And what you’re going to get from this episode is you’re going to be able to spot the signs of over-functioning and you’re going to learn how to say yes without becoming everyone’s personal rescue item. So talking about your wearing sweatpants, looking at what happened before you got in the car.

Brie Tucker (02:07)

Let’s go

JoAnn Crohn (02:30)

What was going on before you got in the car? 

Brie Tucker (02:34)

I was just trying to get everybody together in the hell out of the house and I was so mad because my daughter was mad. I just had too much going on. I was trying to maintain everybody and as you said I am 100 % addicted to being needed.

JoAnn Crohn (02:48)

trying to maintain everybody, trying to keep everybody under control and forgetting the sweatpants are on. I think that’s an appropriate metaphor going into today’s episode. If you could relate to that where you are trying to get everyone else’s shits knits together and you totally forget about your own, yes, yes, this episode’s for you. Let’s get on with the show.

There is a tendency for moms in particular, like I saw this with my own mom. I actually fell into it as a mom myself, where you pay attention to what everybody else needs. And those needs are so overwhelming that you put yourself on the back burner and you get lost in the process.

Brie Tucker (03:29)

100 % yeah.

JoAnn Crohn (03:30)

Yeah,

I do this with pushing the exercise routines I have planned. I will completely cancel them from my schedule if somebody else needs something. I did this free for this coming Thursday. My daughter has Meet the Teacher. I canceled a girls night and I canceled Pilates because last minute I was told that my daughter wanted me there at 530 because she was presenting as student government. And I think that’s something that a lot of moms do.

just take things off our calendar like that.

Brie Tucker (04:01)

Oh, we 100 % do. It’s interesting. I wish I could remember all the details right now. Little nod. Thank you, Perrymanipause for the brain fog. But I do know Miguel and I were just having this conversation like two days ago. And I was saying something about how I need to take care of everybody. I need to have a role. And before he even got to say anything, and we can thank my mother for that. I love my mom, but we all know that my mom feels like if she’s not needed.

It feels like she’s trying to find the point where she is needed. And there’s nothing wrong with that as a whole. But like you said, the problem is so many of us, and I love you mom, but you do this too. You completely negate the things that you need in order to make other people happy. And then you are unhappy and you don’t know how to fix it. You got to reach deep into that psyche and you got to tackle that.

I’m important. Yes. But I’m getting ahead.

JoAnn Crohn (05:04)

I mean, let’s just talk about the super mom narrative, shall we? Because I think that is something that is thrown at women and we’re given all of these compliments for, my gosh, you’re such a super mom. my gosh, you’re such like a great mom. All of these things and all of this praise for putting ourselves last, for being able to do all of the things without any needs of our own. you stayed up late sewing things for the PTA or painting bats for the dance recital or

Brie Tucker (05:38)

gosh, I just thought of a ton of stories with that, but yeah. ⁓ you just bought art supplies for the entire class and made cute little like bags as an end of year gift for being an art teacher volunteer. The stuff that we do, it’s a lot. And I can think of it like we even had cancel plans. We’ll rearrange everything because we think that somebody else needs us there. And this is what we want you to hear.

Brie Tucker (06:07)

physically needs your body there. So you ditch your plans. You ditch what you wanted to do because you feel like you’re needed somewhere else.

JoAnn Crohn (06:19)

I want to add a little bit to that because I think my reasons are different. I think that I am somehow a bad person if I do not ditch my plans. So it’s not that I think I’m needed, but if I don’t show up, then I’m therefore bad and it changes.

Brie Tucker (06:37)

I think that’s the second half for some people, right? Like, okay, podcast land, I’m just curious. How many of you like feel like you are physically needed to be places? Because you’re a mom, your kids need you. So you give up things to be there for them. I always took a job that I did not take the career ladder path. We’ll say that. It was very clear with my first husband that his work schedule was his work schedule and you did not mess with it. So if the kids needed anything, it had to come on me. So I went for the path of jobs that made it so I could be there for my kids. True story here, people. In a job interview, actually had, and this was a job interview that I was like, they came to me for, right? They were like, Bri, we’d really love to interview you for this position.

JoAnn Crohn (07:19)

Hmm.

Brie Tucker (07:32)

And it was at this large company, actually that my husband now works at. And they had pursued me for a job. went in for an interview. The very last question, JoAnn. Well, what are you looking for right now, Bri, in your career moving forward? What would you like to get out of this job? Do you know my answer was? I’m kind of looking for someone that’s a little flexible that I could like leave whenever I need to to go see my kids if they have like a program at school or if I like need to take them on like a field trip. And they were just like, their jaws had to be picked up off the floor. Needless to say, Brie did not get that position. It was so strong and ingrained in me that I had to be there for my kids. And I think I didn’t realize it, but what you just said was true. It was a narrative in my head that I’m a bad person if I’m not.

JoAnn Crohn (08:20)

Yeah, that’s the total narrative that goes through my head all the time. Bad person if I’m not. That’s why I wouldn’t say no to canceling all the plans on Thursday that I was like, I have to, I have to. And it’s funny because we just talked with a psychologist yesterday about rephrasing those I have to thoughts with I feel I have to thoughts and putting a little distance between yourself and that.

Brie Tucker (08:45)

And I think that it’s a big piece. Like we need to rewrite the narrative in our head that we can still be a good mom. We could still be a good person. We could still show love and not have to drop everything and be there for everybody every time they call.

JoAnn Crohn (09:07)

That’s interesting. That’s a great mantra. We could still show love. We could still be valuable and we don’t have to drop everything to be there because you know what my husband’s first inclination was when he heard about the 530 start time that we had to be at at school. He was like, this is the first I’ve heard about this. Like instead of being like, no, I have to cancel everything. no, I can’t do that. And like panic overwhelmed me when I heard about it. And he went to kind of annoyance and anger being like, no one told me.

Brie Tucker (09:38)

Because I feel like that response, well, like you said, anger, annoyance, whatever, that response clearly articulated something. I already had plans. I didn’t realize this was going to happen.

JoAnn Crohn (09:52)

And my plans are important, just like these are. Equal weight. I think that’s something that men have going for them in their narrative and their heads that we need to work on in ours. That our plans that are already set have equal weight to whatever we’re being asked to do. So coming up next, we’re going to talk about this cost of always being the helper and how it might affect you and the people around you right after this.

Before the break, we talked about why moms become addicted to being needed. Basically, it’s how we were trained to be. It’s what we saw in our moms. It’s what society’s told us the attitude we need to take to take care of kids. So now let’s get into a little bit of the cost and how it’s affecting us and the people around us.

Brie Tucker (10:43)

Right, because I think a lot of us roll with that narrative that, it doesn’t bother anybody else but me.

JoAnn Crohn (10:49)

Yeah,

yeah, right. Or it doesn’t bother anyone and this is just how it is. That narrative is also hard.

Brie Tucker (10:55)

I guess what I’m trying to say is like, if I drop everything and I am available 100 % to everybody else in my family, it doesn’t hurt you. It doesn’t hurt him. It doesn’t hurt her. It only hurts me. But no, we are here to tell you. Nay, nay, say.

JoAnn Crohn (11:15)

It does because the first thing that happens is the burnout and resentment. When you have resentment that’s building up to it comes out in places that you don’t want it to come out. Now, every time before I do something, before I say yes, or if I see like a task that needs to be done, for instance, I was in the kitchen this morning, my husband’s job is to put away all the hand wash dishes that my daughter does. He’s supposed to put them away after they’ve been drying on the counter. That’s his job. Yeah.

I was looking at the hand wash dishes and I’m like, I almost reached for it. And I’m like, I’m so tired of like talking to him about these dishes or I’m so tired of seeing them there. I’m just going to do it myself. And I stopped and I’m like, JoAnn, do you want to feel resentful and mad at your husband? And I’m like, no, no, I don’t. I’m just going to let it stay here. I’m going to let it stay here. I am not going to quote unquote help because my helping is not doing anything for him or for me, it is actually probably going to worsen our relationship because I’m going to be spiteful and be like, why don’t you do the same for me when you see things I have to do?

Brie Tucker (12:23)

Exactly. I was just thinking about the story I shared a while ago when Miguel was supposed to help me with dinner and I kept yelling at him that he wasn’t chopping the vegetables the right, I wasn’t yelling. I was helping by saying, ⁓ is that the half inch cubes? Like it says here in the recipe? Right? And thank God my husband’s patient enough that he just like put the knife down and was like, am I helping or am I not? Am I cooking or am I not? And I’m like, you’re right. I’m sorry. ⁓

JoAnn Crohn (12:35)

Yes.

Brie Tucker (12:52)

I’m just gonna go take myself over there.

JoAnn Crohn (12:54)

Also like different ways that we choose to help. I think there’s a way that I tend to want to butt in to a problem between two people where it doesn’t involve me at all. Thinking that I am helping them through the problem. And I’ll give you an example of this. This happened this morning. Last night, my son was like, dad buy Gatorade when he went shopping? And I’m like, ⁓ no, he didn’t buy Gatorade. Why don’t you text him and tell him? Cause Josh was still at work.

And so he texted him and they had this whole conversation that I was not a part of, which is great. Then this morning, my son comes into my room and he’s like, dad didn’t go shopping last night, did he? And I’m like, I don’t know. I’m not aware of it. Did he say he would? And he’s like, yes, he said he would go shopping. And I was about to pick up my phone and text my husband and be like, hey, Eric said you would go shopping last night. And there’s no Gatorade for him. And Gatorade, just to let you guys know,

It is something that my son takes medicine with. This is why the Gatorade’s important. ⁓

Brie Tucker (13:54)

It’s the only thing that can cover the flavor. ⁓

JoAnn Crohn (13:57)

Yeah, it’s an important part. And I realized that I would have been inserting myself into a situation that didn’t involve me. I would have been taking on something that was already being talked about between my husband and son that I just didn’t need to butt in. Instead, I coached my son. like, ⁓ you know, probably forgot. I just follow up. Keep that dad accountable. So now my son gets to do that. Right? Yes.

Brie Tucker (14:26)

And I love that because like you’re listening to that story and people might be going like well he came to you Yeah, yeah, but at any point even if he did say I don’t want to text dad I want you to text him because you know no, I don’t need to be in this I wouldn’t say it that way but right like that’s what we need you to hear in your head No, I don’t need to be in this

JoAnn Crohn (14:51)

Yeah, and it doesn’t have to be a total refusal either of their requests. A lot of times when my kids come to me and they’re like, I just don’t know what to say. And then like, well, I could help with that. I can help coach you on exactly what to say. And that’s a way I could be helpful to you if you want it. And I always say, if you want it. And then usually they’re 50 % of the time they’re like, no, I’m okay. And 50 % of the time they’re like, okay, sure.

Brie Tucker (15:19)

Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn (15:19)

It’s offering to help instead of inserting yourself in the help.

Brie Tucker (15:24)

Right. Because when you are always the fixer, always the one who is quote unquote needed, then you’re setting everybody else up in your family to A, come to you anytime they have an issue because you’re the fixer, right? And B, you’re continuing this narrative that they are not the one who fixes things.

That’s not their role. And two, that I’m trying to not say it, but I’m just going to be blunt. Be blunt. That it’s the mom, it’s the wife who takes care of everything. And that’s a really strong message you’re sending to your kids, boy or girl, whatever, you’re sending them a very big message that it’s that role and you’re going to just continue it on. I don’t know what else to say.

JoAnn Crohn (16:17)

It’s that over-functioner versus under-functioner in our relationship. Yes! When there is an over-functioner and somebody who takes over all of the tasks, it kind of leads the way for an under-functioner who just sits there and does nothing and lets the over-functioner take over because it just makes their life easier. I actually have another example of this from the show I’m obsessed with right now, Shrinking.

Brie Tucker (16:39)

I’m on episode four, I’m not nearly as far as you.

JoAnn Crohn (16:42)

This isn’t a big plot point. is just something that happens. I’m not going to be doing any spoilers by saying this, but there’s a next door neighbor character. I forget her character’s name, but it’s played by the actress, Krista Miller. And she starts a food truck with Sean. And Sean is very complicated story if you don’t watch Shrinking. Just say that Sean is someone living next door. He had a hard past. He’s a former vet. And she starts a food truck with him. She finances it with him.

And Sean’s dad comes by and her dad is like, you know, I always wanted to do this together. And she hears that side of the conversation. Like she hears the conversation, but she’s not involved in it. So take it two steps later. And she’s like, Sean, I have some good news for you. I sold my share of the food truck to your dad so that you could do it together. And he was like, what?

Brie Tucker (17:24)

Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn (17:40)

Talk to me. And I think that illustrates the role of an over-functioner. When you’re stepping into things that you think you’re helping and you think you’re doing a good job, but you’re actually creating more chaos and just general discomfort for everyone else instead of actually helping.

Brie Tucker (17:59)

Yeah, it’s not easy. We’re here saying to you, like, listen, JoAnn and I struggle with this on a regular basis. Like I already said, I am really good at being needed. I’m really good at convincing myself I am needed by everybody at all the time, every week my therapist and I are working on this. And that’s what the questions come back to you. Like, is that what you want everybody to think that you’re the only one that can fix things? And it’s like, no.

But I do like being needed.

JoAnn Crohn (18:29)

Everybody has a role in fixing things and you are so much more than the help you give. In fact, sometimes I just want to beat you over the head when you try to help and I just want you to relax instead. I’m like, go over there and get a drink.

Brie Tucker (18:45)

I’m not good at that. That is true. I am not good at just letting things go. So, I mean, and a lot of people have this problem. I mean, my first husband, he had his boundaries. He knew his boundaries right away. It had no problem. Did not feel like he was needed or had no problem saying no. My husband now, he’s really great at seeing me when I’m doing that and trying to bring it to my attention in a loving way.

And that does help me kind of stop a little. I’m a lot happier. I had to fix everything 24-7.

JoAnn Crohn (19:23)

I was just having a conversation with my sister on this and she said that her partner also has called her on a lot of the stuff she does and made her aware of it. And I think like it helps when you have someone in your life where you’re being made aware of the things you’re doing. Whether a therapist helps with that. We do that in balance all the time in coaching. Just becoming aware of thought patterns. That’s something like actually our members tell me all the time. They’re like, I wasn’t aware I was doing that or I didn’t see it that way.

And just that awareness, it causes so much change. And as you said, it makes you happier too. And you realize that that’s a false narrative that you’ve been telling yourself that when you drop, the whole world doesn’t fall apart. It’s actually better.

Brie Tucker (20:08)

Yeah. So you’re not selfish for stepping back. You’re actually being smarter, being more aware, and providing a better expectation and narrative for everybody else in your family.

JoAnn Crohn (20:25)

And we are going to give you three boundaries to break this needing to be needed cycle. And it’s coming out right after this.

So we’ve talked about why we get in this cycle. We’ve talked about the cost of being in the cycle. So now hopefully you’re a ready to hear how to get out of the cycle. And if you’re not ready for this yet, you could just like go listen to another one of our episodes. But I don’t encourage that. Just stay with us here.

Brie Tucker (20:52)

So I am excited about the way we’re presenting this because instead of telling you necessarily new things to do, these are kind of more about taking things off your plates. sounds like we’re telling you to do more stuff, but we’re not. So I’m going be crystal clear on that.

JoAnn Crohn (21:10)

I’m big on that. That is something that I think we here at No Guilt Mom could say like as a brand, that’s what we do. We’re telling you to stop doing stuff instead of to do more stuff or to do it in a different way. You could just completely stop. So our three boundaries to break the need cycle lead us into it, Brie. What’s number one?

Brie Tucker (21:31)

Okay, the first one, and this is my big one that I suck at. So guys, I work on this all the time. You don’t need to answer immediately.

JoAnn Crohn (21:41)

Like how so?

Brie Tucker (21:42)

We talked about that like last month on a podcast episode about how like when somebody asks you to do something like that sounds very interesting. Let me check my calendar and get back to you. It doesn’t have to be that formal, but seriously buy yourself some time because I would put money down that the majority of us mothers when somebody asks us to do something, especially in our family, we tend to go towards. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Actually, I just had that last night and all the craziness my daughter asked me to get her something and I went, yeah, sure, whatever. And then like five minutes later, I’m like, wait, no, I can’t do that. And then I had to text her back and be like, no, I can’t do that. And then she got so upset. Well, why’d you say you could? Feelings were high. That’s the normal response you get, but yeah, like you really need to give yourself the buffer time to think.

JoAnn Crohn (22:33)

I’ve been in that situation too where I’ve said yes just to make somebody else happy. I knew inherently knew that me saying yes would make them happy. Okay and they would be overjoyed. I would say yes and they’d be really really excited and then it took some time to remove myself from that situation and some thinking time and it’s like ⁓ I don’t want to do this.

Brie Tucker (22:58)

Almost like, wait, what did I just say yes to?

JoAnn Crohn (23:03)

It’s almost like kind of tied to being a people pleaser, wanting to that reaction in other people, not wanting to disappoint them. So your automatic reaction without even thinking. mean, I don’t think it’s a logical thought process kind of thing when you say yes to something. It’s like a reaction.

Brie Tucker (23:20)

Exactly. And if you’re wondering if I do this, think of the last time you said yes to something and that when you actually had time to think out everything that was involved in that yes, you thought, ⁓ crap. If you did, then you need to start buying time. So you need to stop saying yes right away and just start working on a sounds good. Let me think about it. Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn (23:44)

Yeah,

I also have to say that is a process to even remember to say that. So give yourself a lot of self-compassion if you don’t say that. I mean, even in our working world, there’s like someone we’re working with now who is backing out of commitment that they said yes to, because it’s just a time issue and it’s a lot of work and a lot of investment of time. So just know that this happens out everywhere. People saying yes to things that they haven’t thought through thoroughly. Yeah.

Brie Tucker (24:17)

It happens to all of us, so it’s a great habit. Right? It’s a great habit.

JoAnn Crohn (24:20)

It’s something I need to practice much more.

Brie Tucker (24:24)

What’s number two? What’s the second thing that they need to do or stop doing?

JoAnn Crohn (24:28)

Redirect instead of rescuing. So this is something that I did this morning with instead of rescuing my son for texting that I would take over and text my husband and get the Gatorade for him. I just helped redirect him into additional action he could take to help solve his problem. Something that would also help him in the long run. He’s gonna come across people who say they’ll do things and just forget. So like, how do you follow up? How do you like, still make sure it’s done and keep that relationship good with the other person? You redirect them and you help them along their way.

Brie Tucker (25:01)

And I think that’s the key. Cause again, a lot of this is a mindset shift, right? Because if you are addicted to being needed, if you feel like you need to be needed to have the purpose in your family, this is your role. This is what you do. You need to also understand that the more you keep doing that, the more you are robbing other family members from having the opportunity of problem solving, of getting through it.

of learning those life skills. And like you just said, I think that was huge. Instead of me fixing the problem right now, I am giving my kid the skills because yes, in life, this is going to happen again. Someone’s gonna forget something and they’re gonna need to follow through with them and they’re gonna wanna save the relationship.

JoAnn Crohn (25:48)

Yeah. There’s a component of ego tied to this as well, because when you first start using this and you redirect, you are going to feel like you are not doing the most to help somebody. And that’s going to hurt. It’s going cause you some discomfort

Brie Tucker (26:00)

Then say that, right? Yeah. And someone might even say that out of anger.

JoAnn Crohn (26:04)

yeah, my daughter has told me before, like I’ve taught my kids how to make their own lunches and find their own food for a very long time. I’m like, hey, if you’re hungry, here’s what we have and here’s what you could do. So my daughter, the other day was obviously jealous of her brother. And she told me, always made me get my own food and you did not take me out to breakfast. I always had to find everything on my own. And I’m like,

Okay. This isn’t fair right now. Typical first to do it all. Yeah, I would say I do the same, but I mean, people are going to throw it back in your face, including your kids, but just know that you are doing it for their greater good down the line. My daughter makes breakfast great. She’s packing yogurt and raspberries today for her breakfast and putting in some protein. And I’m like, who got you to do that? Oh, was me. I won’t ever.

Get acknowledgement. No!

Brie Tucker (27:06)

Okay, and the other piece of that is if I was the one making breakfast for my kids, it would be whatever I can pop in the microwave or the toaster oven because I am not awake for a good hour after I get up in the morning. I’m still like, I’m really zombified. So I’m glad that my kids have the ability to do that. And that could come up with their own things because yogurt with fruit and what? No, I would never.

JoAnn Crohn (27:29)

Even if they throw it back in your face that you did not do enough for them. Just remember that’s coming. It’s okay though.

Brie Tucker (27:36)

Yeah, know that it will pay off over time. Okay, and number three, and this is a huge one that so many of us, I’m still struggling with myself. Making space for your own needs.

Brie Tucker (27:53)

making sure that you have that space for your own needs before you start taking care of everybody else’s.

JoAnn Crohn (28:01)

It’s hard at first because you don’t even know what your own needs are.

Brie Tucker (28:06)

I mean, most of us, our needs are taking care of our family, raising our kids in a safe and keeping them safe and comfortable, being a good spouse, a good partner.

JoAnn Crohn (28:17)

And those aren’t your needs. Those aren’t them. Yeah. Exactly.

Brie Tucker (28:21)

Your needs might also be like being really awesome at work and everything too, but no, that’s not what that means.

JoAnn Crohn (28:28)

Yeah, there are things that you personally need to feel your best. So things like sleep, good nutrition, exercise, alone time.

Brie Tucker (28:41)

Socialization.

JoAnn Crohn (28:43)

Yeah, socialization, lack of sensory stimulation, not being touched is a need. All of these things that take you from zero to 50 in like the anger and resentment rage, those are your needs are the things that prevent you from going to that like huge reaction because your body’s calm, your mind is calm, everything is good. That’s what your needs are. Whatever helps you get to that calm and.

Relaxed and joyful state.

Brie Tucker (29:15)

It looks different for everybody. The amount of time needed is different for everybody. How you go about it, different for everybody. Because every family is different, different things that you’re trying to do. And I can tell you right now, if you’re listening to this episode and you’re inspired and you’re like, that’s it, I’m going to do it. I’m going to stop saying yes to everything. I’m going to redirect everything and I’m going to make plans for myself. I love that enthusiasm.

Also, I want you to know this isn’t the easiest journey. It’ll take a little bit of time to do them. So JoAnn, like you said earlier, give yourself some grace and also find people that are interested in doing the same thing as you. Yes. What I mean by that, find your people that are also having the same mindset.

JoAnn Crohn (30:07)

And it could be hard to find those people, but we have a community full of them. If you want to come and check that out, it’s at balanceformoms.com forward slash go. That’s where you can find all info on our balance community. And you can join us in there. This is where you make the transformation from feeling like you need to do everything for everyone. And you’re the only one holding everything together to actually feeling supported by your family to having your own goals and to finding what exactly your own needs are, because that in itself could be a process that we’ve seen so many women go through in their balance journey. So go to that link, balanceformoms.com, forward slash go. You’ll find it in the show notes too. We put it all there for you.

Brie Tucker (30:50)

I want to just be clear, like, I’m not saying that you can’t do all this. That is why we did this podcast episode. It’s because you can. And these three little steps really do help. But if you would like to have a team, a group of people cheering you on that have the same mindset, we have that. have that. You can do this. You don’t have to be everything to everyone all the time.

JoAnn Crohn (31:09)

Nope, you do not. So with that, remember, the best mom is a happy mom, not one who does things for everybody else and puts her own needs last. So take care of you and we’ll talk to you later.

Brie Tucker (31:32)

Thanks for stopping by.